Name: Mr. Scary
Email: hee, hee, hee!.com
Date: 8/14/02
Time: 12:45:22 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
I just got off the phone with a guy named James Growcock! I can't stop laughing....He
must have had one hell of a childhood.
Name: leibo
Email: leibo828@yahoo.com
Date: 8/14/02
Time: 11:55:15 AM
Remote Name: 137.66.3.2
Comments
I think the most telling thing about society today is that there is no
"cents" symbol left on the keyboard any more! Especially since everyone keeps
throwing their 2 in.
(Lighten up - this is a little comic relief).
Name: iceles
Email: feinguy.com
Date: 8/14/02
Time: 11:35:06 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.195.173
Comments
All of a sudden everyone is a conservative,10 years ago we all were liberal,a
real Flower power,left wing nut. Now we lives in whitelandia. Our kids do not know what a
black person looks like. My kids are the same way. The older we get, the more our veiws
move to the right. LBJ`s vision of a great society has turned generations of minorites
into wards of the state. I see that in the minds of my employees, They worry if they make
to much money their wives will get thrown off the welfare roles. Its a pretty sad sight. I
dont know what this subject has to do with anything thats going on with this board.I just
felt like throwing my 2 cents in.
Name: Mr. I told you so
Email: inevitable.com
Date: 8/14/02
Time: 8:31:27 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
HB-7...Amerika has become a satellite of India and all Amerikans of european decent
have immigrated to Mexico for a better life. Mike stayed behind to cook for his bosses.
Name: mindy
Email: excite.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 6:47:34 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.105.188
Comments
this site has been rockin!!!! The last comment from Miss Cleo was a cute one! -- It
seems that we are having the whole H1-10Bvisa family here in the states.
Harris - Batch and PHIL - keep the fun flowing!
BTW - I had the pleasure of training it uptown w/ the republican Rick Lazio this
morning and told him how upset I was that he didn't beat that Westchester bitch's ass
(Rockland cty?)
and yes..........Joni -you look lovely and healthy and I wish you and your husband
loads of mazel for the new baby!
Name: Miss Cleo
Email: clairvoyant.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 3:54:28 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
HB-6....Leibo gives up and takes a job as a cook in an Indian restaurant, since all the
Indian chefs are now employed as high tech entrepreneur's. He's happy but he just can't
seem to get "that smell" out of his clothes.
Name: Rush Limbaugh
Email: getout.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 12:43:26 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
HB-5....All Jews from Queens that sell ice-GO THE FUCK TO INDIA!
Name: iceles57
Email: iceles57@aol.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 11:47:15 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.103.27
Comments
Joel, Thats how Mr Feingold talks to everybody, Do not be insulted, You guys have to
much history together to sling insults back & forth. Just sometimes Mike gets really
angry at the left wing moronic views of people who disagree with him. Joel we all love
you,Keep in touch.
Name: Bucky the Duck
Email: quack.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 11:11:20 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
I wait for HB-4. Then all the animals can come to USA and get programmer jobs. Clinton
even promised me a little pond to take my lunch in, plus all the stale bread I can eat! I
love HB and USA!
Name: Moshin Haider Darwish Algosaibi
Email: habbi.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 10:05:53 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
I wait for HB-3, then I can bring my camels to do programming work at CIA and Pentagon.
I love HB!
Name: Ramaswamy Ramesh Khan
Email: bhopal.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 8:34:30 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
My name is Ramaswamy and I will name my first born child HB-1. This is a most beautiful
name in the whole biggest world. In my country I smoke curry. Then I get letter from
Clinton and he tell me to go to USA and he will pay me big dollar to smoke more curry in
States. I love States. I love curry.
Next year comes HB-2 and then I can bring my elephant and trusty water buffalo to
states and we can all be happy together smoking curry. I love amerika.
Name: StayinCool.com
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 6:57:03 AM
Remote Name: 129.44.47.113
Comments
Ok, maybe I lost my cool there for a while.
I really thought you believed what you were writing.
I also have been involved with the ICCA www.icca.org, and have seen hundreds of people
out of work. This is directly related to H1-B. I have spoken with a lot of unemployed and
angry colleagues who believe we can repeal H1-B.
So, I have been in the trenches with this issue and that is why I am passionate about
it.
I created this site for fun, not to argue with old friends. Now Phil, send me a few BC
buds....
Name: Batch's wife
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 12:35:17 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.102.43
Comments
" My reality check just bounced!"
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 12:33:26 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.102.43
Comments
Harris- everyone knows its in New Jersey!
Name: Harris
Email: Rip Torn
Date: 8/13/02
Time: 12:27:42 AM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Batch... if the spiritual fabric of the universe, is like a pair of ripped
pantyhose.... where would the crotch be?
Name: Joel
Email: One more thing.
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 11:17:15 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Mike,
I replied to your article like you asked me to. I wrote down my thoughts. Do you reply
to them? No. You just call me an asshole. Good debate.
Name: Joel
Email: here's to disagreement and debate for fun!
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 11:09:56 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Mike,
Maybe you should get together with Phil and smoke some of his BC bud. You writing comes
off like you are very stressed. Almost beyond reason.
Asshole, dumb, ignorant. You use these terms and apply them to me. I write from the
heart and mind and never show any disrespect to your point, just the other side of the
coin and sometimes the same side. This is debate for fun and you can't help but get down
on me as a person. Makes me wonder what and how you treat other people that disagree with
you.
The world is made up of billions of different perspectives, most of which have value
when you can look at them with an open mind. If you disagree with me that's fine but I see
no reason for you to show me a lack of respect as a person. What have you become in your
older age Mike? Have you lost all tolerance for people that don't believe what you
believe? If so, that is really sad. I do hope somewhere in there you still have a sense of
humor.
You seem to really care about this H1B stuff, much more than I do. Even still, my
feelings about you as a person aren't going to change because I MAY think differently on a
subject (for all you know I may really agree with you, debate for fun). If you can't
discuss politics and/or religion and keep your head, I will know in the future not to
debate with you. No fun being called an asshole by someone just because he doesn't agree
with me.
Here's to the mystical laws of cause and effect (karma)
Name: Miles
Email: MYLZFROM@aol.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 10:40:59 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.101.154
Comments
OY, look what I started.
Name: Mike
Email: Joni-Looks-Great.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 9:53:21 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.44.216
Comments
Joel -
Do you make this shit up as you type, or is it stream of consciousness from a recent
flashback?
Of course younger workers from India are willing to work for less. The average annual
salary in India is less than half of what Americans can make. These guys come here and
live 5 to an apt. The Indian agencies who bring them here treat them like garbage, and
most of them can't code or speak the language.
Of course a young worker out of college will make less than a person with 20 years
experience. What is your point?
Understand this: The H1-B program is NOT about filling positions because companies
cannot find the talent. It is about the likes of Bill Gate's bottom line. There is much
documentation to prove this.
You state that the Govt should not be telling companies who to hire? We are in
agreement, and that is why H1-B is bullshit. The Govt should not encourage this by
granting special privledges to companies.
Getting old has nothing to do with any of this. It is affecting University programs
because potential Comp Sci students feel they won't be able to get work. IT people who are
30 are feeling this as well.
Open your eyes to the current world. Flower power died a long time ago - before Mr.
Sherman.
Name: Joel
Email: not overwhelmed at all
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 5:42:31 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
I think Joni looks great.
Name: Joel
Email: reply to Mike
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 5:32:31 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Mike’s article “A related consequence of the H-1B program's short-circuiting
of the American labor market is the disposal of older workers. With a large pool of young
H-1B workers unwilling to make too many demands of their employers, older American
programmers face enormous obstacles. The evidence of age discrimination is undeniable,
resulting in careers cut unnaturally short. It's very difficult for most programmers to
get programming work after they pass the age of 40. “
Joel: Most programmers at the age of 40 find themselves overpriced and under equipped
for the new technology. Younger people will replace them, does not matter where they are
from, they will be replaced. Always have been, always will be. Technology has always been
a young mans (or womans) game. Sorry, but that is the way it is.
Mike’s article “According to an analysis by professor Matloff published by
the Center for Immigration Studies, the percentage of computer-science graduates working
in software development drops sharply over time. Five years after finishing college, about
60% of computer-science graduates are working as programmers. Twenty years after college,
when most are in their early 40s, the number falls to 19%. “
Joel: Good point. All of the really good computer science graduates stop programming as
soon as they can because they get an opportunity to do something better. Programming is an
entry-level position in technology land. No one should plan on doing it for a long time,
unless they want to be a contractor. Again, programming is for young people. My dad lost
his job at 50 because all he know was cobal and people did not want cobal programmers any
more. Most programmers over 40 do not know the latest, greatest programming languages or
tools.
Mike’s article “This rapid attrition is in sharp contrast to other fields
that employ fewer foreign workers: 52% of people who majored in civil engineering, for
instance, are in the same field 20 years later--more than double the rate for
computer-science majors. The perverse result is that a programmer is considered
"senior" with just five years or so of experience--in other words, before the
age of 30!”
Joel: Again, good point but it has nothing to do with H1B workers. It has to do with
the fact that technology is a young person’s game. It was 30 years ago, 15 years ago,
now and 5-10 years from now. Most of the people running my company are 5 – 10 years
younger than me. That is the way it is. Has nothing to do with H1B. I do not believe the
government should be in the business of telling businesses who, what or when to hire
people.
Mike’s article “Thus, older programmers, who have the potential for more
productive years of work, are forced into other work, in a kind of domestic "brain
drain" that wastes the talents of American workers. This brain drain is both caused
by and compensated for by a brain drain from overseas, especially India and China, that
fosters dependence on foreign resources. Given the importance of technology not only to
our economy but also to our nation's security, is it wise to promote dependence on the
flow of programmers from abroad?”
Joel: Again, good, true point to a degree. Older workers are forced out of their jobs
by younger workers who are willing to do the same job for less with new, better skills.
They can be from Idaho or India, but they are there.
Bottom line, the issue here is older workers getting re-placed by smarter, cheaper
younger workers. It sucks getting older, doesn’t it. Get used to it.
Name: Joel
Email: robert_hunter.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 5:11:53 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
One man gathers, what another man spills!
Or as Paul and John said, "Oh Blah de, Oh blah da, life goes on!
Name: Mike
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 5:10:44 PM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
I am not surprised that Joel did not respond to my question on how he feels about the
HR 3222 bill from my last post. http://www.cedaily.com/bbs/horror/index.cgi?read=1330
The bill makes too much sense, and I can see he is overwhelmed.
On a lighter note - Who thinks Joni looks hot and glowing on the main page?
Name: mindy
Email: nonononoidontsmokeitnomore
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 4:44:49 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.105.57
Comments
Man...it's been 17 years since I smoked anything of foreign or domestic ancient herbal
flowers.
Nahh........don't miss it. I choose not to earn a 'new way' of living. I spent enough
money learning this one. Joel..... A friend of mine is an immigration lawyer, that is
getting richer and richer. Kudos to her as a friend. I still think her job is thievery to
Americans.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: nometrabajo.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:57:09 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
And boy oh boy, you'll be grateful you dead ahhh did!
Name: Joel
Email: keep_my_job.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:41:59 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Yes, I am learning some new technology so no H1B worker will take my job.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: yup.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:35:52 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Yup! When it's that good, who cares where it comes from.
Are we doing any work today? Shit. I'm not!
Name: Joel
Email: BC bud?
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:11:40 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Phil,
Do you mean British Columbia when you say BC? I hope you aren't somking imported bud.
You should only be smoking domestic. Got to keep those dollars in America.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: joelbowl.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:07:48 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Nah! I'm talkin' about BC bud. The indoor stuff. I don't think any migrants are
involved. Miscreants maybe, migrants, Nah.....
Hey I think you're gonna give Mike a heart attack!
Name: Joel
Email: bowl?
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 3:01:47 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Phil,
Are you sure. I understand that the buds I have were grown with the help of migrant
workers who only charge $5.00 per hour plus all the bud they can smoke. I think a couple
of my pot head buddies lost their jobs over this. If it is OK with you, anytime is fine
with me.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: can'tweallbefriends?boohoo.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 2:35:03 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Joel, I'll still do a bowl with you anytime. REGARDLESS OF YOUR BELEIFS
Name: MyAnswer
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 2:11:19 PM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
Joel -
No one said to close the borders. Should the INS and its policies be revamped -
absolutely. Should we hire foreigners to take over American's jobs during a downturn in
our economy? What do you think? If you were the one doing the job seeking I know what
you'd think.
As far as H1Bs go, here is my concrete answer. This bill was well thought, is well
worded and will help folks with your mind-state see reality. I urge you to read it
thoroughly before you respond: http://www.cedaily.com/bbs/horror/index.cgi?read=1330
Name: Joel
Email: still haven't answered my question!
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 2:00:40 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Mike,
Should we close our borders to all? What is your suggestion. saying go the fuck home is
not very productive. How are we supposed to play in the global economy. More government
control or less? I believe in competiton. If someone is willing to do your job for less,
you better figure out a new way to earn your keep. Go Ayn Rand.
Name: mindy
Email: animals
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 1:51:15 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.195.208
Comments
Joel - I don't remember talking about turtles?
I still like it when the HARD facts are put in front of me.
Hope this lighten up the moment! Mike Sorry to hear about the Coach. Ken could tell you
aeons of stories about his PHD coworkers w/o jobs - sorry hear that!
Name: H1BS GO THE F--K HOME
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 1:34:21 PM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
You can live your life in a cave and remain happy. That is your decision. You can
choose not to listen to hard facts. That is also your decision. But, when several
different sources of evidence prove the statistics, ignoring the evidence is not smart.
Evidence is hard data. I pointed you to several sources. All you can come up is your own
jaded beliefs. That is not hard data. IT IS YOUR BELIEFS.
The original supporters of H1-Bs are silent these days. Does that tell you something?
Several folks in Congress are supporting a bill that limits H1-Bs based on the
unemployment rate. Does that tell you something?
Or, are you still going to quote that same old cliche about blacks and Jews that was
timely in 1950.
All of this hit home last weekend when my daughter's soccer coach (who is a C++, JAVA
programmer) asked if he could give me his resume. He has been umemployed for 3 months.
Name: Joel
Email: my_overall_point
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 1:21:38 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
All,
My point in all of this, is that labels just don't work. Liberal, conservative, etc. I
base my beliefs on my experiences not what politicans or professors say. Is the H1B
program hurting America? Probably yes and probably no. Depends on who you ask.
To quote one of my favorite opening lines from a book, "It was the best of times,
It was the worst of times". This is the human condition. Ying, yang. Good, evil,
Light, dark. Heads, tails. Depends which side of the coin you land on.
All I want from me and you is to not be so closed minded that you lose sight of the
situations that are really going on. Since 9/11 I have percieved an incredible amount of
mind closing from some on this site. Yes, some people and events really suck. But, I
truley believe that most people just want to get along, have a place to live, some food to
eat and if they have kids, some future for them.
I know you guys are really sensitive to "liberal" propaganda, but, the real
enemy of the world is ignorance and hate, not indians, asians or muslims.
And, by the way, I really don't think Bill Gates need the H1B program to make money.
Microsoft has made more Americans into millionaires than any other company in our history.
My bussies that work there are not in jeopardy from the H1B program. That seems to be the
point. If the H1B program hurts you, you are probably against it.
Hard facts - The fiscal year 2002 limit for family-sponsored preference immigrants
determined in accordance with Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) is
226,000. The fiscal year 2002 limit for employment-based preference immigrants calculated
under INA 201 is 142,632. Section 202 prescribes that the per-country limit for preference
immigrants is set at 7% of the total annual family-sponsored and employment-based
preference limits, i.e., 25,804 for FY-2000. The dependent area limit is set at 2%, or
7,373.
OK, we let some people from other countries come here to work. Is this really so bad?
should we not let anyone come here to work? How should this be played out? You guys point
out the problems, give me some solutions. As Mindy said, Should we be a turtle and put our
head into our shell and not participate in the game? It is so easy to say, close the door.
Show some courage and come up with some solutions that help us and the rest of the world.
Or, does the rest of the world not matter anymore, since we are already here?
Name: mmindy
Email: data?
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 12:40:44 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.195.186
Comments
I like hard data -- anyone here have this data to offer?
Phil - Phil - I so totally agree w/your words its amazing. Times they-are-a-changin!
Joel - just cause I agree w/ Phil and Mike -- makes it evident that it is OK to agree
to disagree and agree. Yes, Lucent gave him many items. Loads of sweatshirts, bags,
wonderful exciting trips to Riyadh Saudi Arabia. But it's not the desktop product I am
talking about. I am talking about the switches and the computerized items that we don't
see. The stuff that is underground -- at Verizon's main stations. That is ALL LUCENT
product.
In the past years I have changed my beliefs from liberal to democratic and now leaning
on conservative. (Still..Vote! PRO CHOICE) and I do agree with you that..........Numbers
can prove anything and politicians fight for whatever makes them have a better chance of
winning the next election.
AMERICA is synonymous w/BIG CORPORATION. That is the only thing that runs this country.
And Cheaper labor keeps corporations running. H1B visa?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: whatpoint.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 12:37:02 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Not true-Facts are reality. Hard data is proven to be true by actual evidence which
supports that data.
Beliefs are supported by a particular ideology that may or may not be necessarily true.
And the band played on. Ba Da Bing!
Name: Joel
Email: You don't get my point!
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 10:53:15 AM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Phil,
Define hard data. Anyone can prove anything they want using your so called hard data.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: justhefactsma'm.com
Date: 8/12/02
Time: 10:20:40 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Joel,
Facts are based on hard data. Your examples about blacks, Jews and Germany are beliefs,
not facts. I guess you really don't see whats going on. Or you choose not to. And that's
your right. Anyway, according to geological studies eventually California will break off
from the rest of the continent and float off into the Pacific out towards Sulewesi and you
can be Mayor. That's a fact!
Hey Joel, You're one hardass liberal and that's a fact too!
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/11/02
Time: 11:21:03 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.101.168
Comments
Virus alert!: Myles is infected too,don't open emails from him without checking first.
Name: Joel
Email: facts or beliefs? you tell me.
Date: 8/11/02
Time: 9:50:41 AM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Mike,
You want facts. OK, rocks are hard, water is wet and snow is cold. Those are facts. You
quote politicians and professors and call them facts. Not facts, those are beliefs. Oh but
they use statistics, they must be facts. Well, that makes me think of a statement my stat
teacher told me back in college, "Statistics don't lie, Liars use statistics".
Numbers can prove anything and politicians fight for whatever makes them have a better
chance of winning the next election.
My beliefs (what you can call facts) come from my day to day experiences and what I
learn in life. I wonder, if you folks had lived 100 years ago, would you have believed
that facts about black and jews being inferior to the white race. It was a known
scientific fact for 100 years. Shit, it was a fact in Germany 55 years ago. To some in
America and the world it is still a fact right now.
My point being, facts are what you make them and I believe you are confusing facts with
beliefs. You have your beliefs and I have mine. You can call mine bullshit, I can call
yours sad. But just because the beliefs are yours does not make them facts.
Fact or belief, Open minds and tolerance are better for the human race and will improve
the human condition?
And for Mindy,
Your b/f has many Lucent products in his house. Did he buy them or get them for free
because he worked for them? You have to be able to get more than your employees and their
relatives to buy your products to stay alive.
Name: mindy
Email: were back
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 9:52:51 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.198
Comments
Joel - In my house I have but a few Lucent items. In Ken's home - He has many. In all
our homes our wires contain MLT switches which is my b/f specialty. Lucent went under for
many reasons. The fact is that more than half of their employees were brought in as
consultants -- (Yes Mike to send money to their homeland!) and when the job lay offs begin
-- these ALIENS stuck around willing to take the cheaper salary. KUDOS to your comments
Phil......Mike........ Our relatives came here, were sponsored, worked their mighty assess
off to give us an "American lifestyle." All my great grandmother wanted was to
Americanize my grandmother. Only English to be spoken in the Yiddish speaking home! Screw
the ESL programs! Today these non ENGLISH speaking immigrants want to keep to themselves
-- w/o a visa-green card, free Medicaid and well... I could go on. Mike thanks for your
support information. I went to the H1Bvisa petition site. It has my vote!!!!! Remember
even a Dead terrorist hijackers can get visas today! Close the damn borders and keep US
money in the US!
my -0.0 Mindy
Name: H1Bs Go The F--ck Home
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 4:49:22 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.49.128
Comments
Joel - You are missing our points. When our relatives arrived here there were no
special programs. Our Govt did not encourage them to come here by offering them free
passes aka H1-Bs. These guys that come here live 5 to an apt, are treated like shit, make
minimum wage, send the money home, and then after a few years go home. They take the
knowledge that they learned here and go home. This is a long term losing proposition for
our country.
The only folks that profit from this paradox is the likes of Bill Gates. He gets cheap,
slave labor programmers to develop his products. That is my entire point. As a Liberal you
should be appaled that companies like MSFT, IBM, LUCENT can get away with this scam. It
has nothing to do with xenophobia, it is all about the bottom line at the expense of the
American worker.
The plain fact is, there isn't and hasn't been any pervasive, desperate software labor
shortage. There is much documentation to support this. I actually met with several
senators in June at an ICCA conference in D.C. and they agreed to back H.R. 3222, the
High-Tech Work Fairness and Economic Stimulus Act of 2001: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3222
This bill reduces H1-Bs based on the unemployment rate. How can you disagree with that?
Change is in the works now that folks in Congress see that it is our national interest
to scale back H1-Bs. The H-1B visa program was supposed to provide "temporary"
workers during times of increased hiring, but failed to provide any adjustments for a
downturn in the economy.
Here is an independent study from a professor at U.C. Davis (a Ca university) that
proves there has never been a software labor shortage, and that H1-B is soley based on
large companies wanting to make more profit at the expense of the U.S. worker: http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
Joel, why not point us to facts that back up your b.s. Maybe then you can have a
serious discussion instead of throwing out dumb cliches....
Name: Joel
Email: free passes?
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:51:25 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Phil,
Without exception, every single person I work with, talk with, etc that has come here
in the past 20 years is seeking exactly what our relatives were seeking 100 years ago.
Peace, freedom and an opportunity to survie and thrive. None of them are looking for free
passes. This is what scares me. You guys are believing the conservative jargon about
aliens that is not really true. It was not true when our relatives came over, it was not
true when the latin americans came over and it is not true about the asians and indians.
99.9% of these people just want to live and are willing to risk everything they have (not
much), their lives in many, many cases and show more courage in doing this than we ever
have to show.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: what happened.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:47:40 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.44.40
Comments
Mike- the site seems to have BALOONED. What happened??
Name: Joel
Email: lucent_reality
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:38:51 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
A question for Mindy, "How many Lucent products do you own in your house?"
I'll bet you have none. Lucent's problems have nothing to do with the alien invasion, they
stem form one word "competition". Their problems started in 1984 when Judge
Green (bless his soul) broke up the bell monopoly. Lucent, known at the time as the Bell
Equipment Company, made every piece of telephone gear in the whole country with very few
exceptions. Profits galore.
With the arrival of competition they found themselves in a world that they were not
ready to play in. Telecommunications gear is made by just about every electronics company
in the world now and is better quality and lower price than Lucent. That is why they are
in trouble, not because of H1B workers.
Name: fuckit
Email: fuckitagain.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:37:22 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.44.40
Comments
THE SITE IS ALIVE......IT'S
A-L-I-V-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........................................................................AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Mr. Horrible
Email: toonastytosay.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:30:28 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.44.40
Comments
Hi Mindy..Where have you been? I think uluL misses you. Actually, and seriously, we
wondered where you where. Hope all is OK.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: counterculture.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 1:20:52 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.44.40
Comments
Hey Joel I do support your "little world theory", although I doubt you can
acomplish that in Ca. it's a state full of tree hugging, Mexican hating morons all kinds
of uninformed extremists who are afraid of Mountain Lions and alittle bit of garbage but
they demand their comforts and share of the wealth without any contribution on their part.
And by the way Gray Davis is a fucking moron. I got news for you Maui ain't the answer
either. You can achieve your goal in Sulewesi it's the perfect place. (look it up on a
map)It makes Maui look like Brooklyn. You can probably be Mayor of you own world there.
And that's fine, but you have to remember that our ancestors (relatives) that came here
after 1900 got no special treatment, no programs, no nothin', and they busted their asses
to build this country. NO FREE PASSES!! And futhermore these so called newcomers want to
change the dynamics of this country which is contrary to my lifestyle and beliefs. As far
as I'm concerned, these people are welcome here provided they earn what they get the
traditional way........NO FREE PASSES!!!
The 9th. curcuit court in San Francisco says it all. Those asshole's are living in
their own "little world" too. That's why California is for fuck ups.
You've got some serious adversaries on this site. Good luck in making your point. There
are realities here that you seem to ignore. Joel, it's got nothing to do with New York,
the "back east" mentality or anything else. Haight Ashbury and the flower
children are ancient history. I enjoy the PAST just as much as you do, but the reality is,
those days are over and this counrty faces threats on many fronts. It's a new world baby!
Do you want to buy a refrigerator? I have good prices!! I'll give you the special VIP
discount!!
Thanks alot Leibo.....You owe me big time for that Weeping Japanese Maple. I'm gonna
get you!!!!!!!!! I'm not so sure it was me, since I'm not sending emails from my home PC
until YOU help me clean up this virus.
Name: Joel
Email: wow.com
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 11:16:41 AM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
I am really glad you folks weren't around when all our relatives came over from
wherever it was they came from. These are the types of statements that I read about jews,
irish, italians, etc when they first came here. Good thing we got here first. Oh that's
right, the Indians were here first, but not the ones you guys are talkng about.
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 11:13:03 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.197.171
Comments
Oh and BTW: with the exception of some of the dealers at the Indian Casinos we are all
aliens or decendents of aliens........"not that theres anything wrong with that"
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 11:10:20 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.197.171
Comments
DEPORT EVERYONE! start with Joel
Yes we have a mess going on here. But I think it goes way deeper than H1B.Thats just
the tip of the iceberg so to say. Tht entire spiritual fabric of the universe has a major
run in it like a bad pair of pantyhose,as a result the entire state of humanity is
affected.Its all been going on for years. Yes we should all join Joel on the island of the
living deadheads.Phil can provide the refrigerators although without electricity they'll
only be good for storage cabinets.
Name: mindy
Email: down w/foreignworkers!
Date: 8/10/02
Time: 8:55:22 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.195.46
Comments
Long time no write -- But I need to reflect on the latest topics here. Joel you
say......... By the way, the H1B visa program has really brought some excellent people to
our staff at PSFT. From my experience, if you are really good at what you do, you will
have plenty of opportunity regardless of how many programmers are coming out of India.
My 0.0 (I can't find the cents key on my keyborad- help!) mindy
I know lots of people in high tech out here and not one of them has lost their jobs
because someone on an H1B took there place.-------------------------------
LUCENT tech. my b/f's home for years. Prior to that AT&T Bell Labs.........DOWN THE
DRAIN!! His division was bought by another tech firm. He had no choice but to go loosing a
pension, and tenure, and a few thousands in salary. He went because his colleagues-the
American ones- w/ Master's and PHd's couldn't get a job because of the past influx of
consultants from mideastern and Asian countries. In fact, the whole damn neighborhood in
the Brunswick's and Edison, NJ are workers at the Pharmaceutical companies and tech
companies based in the NJ area. His downstairs neighbor an MD under disciplinary action --
live in a 2 bedroom condo -- with at least 10 family members!!!!!! Nursing Shortage--Why?
To many foreigners that take the job at 1/3 the demanded salary. For a woman I don't
complain about my salary. But when I graduated nursing school - I couldn't get a hospital
job for months!!!!! Too many west Indian and Filipino nurses that saturated the field!
my 0.0 - mindy
Name: Raji Akjqillt
Email: peoplesoftstock@almostata5yearlow.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 9:40:42 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.207.189
Comments
Joel, you ignorant slut!
Name: Joel
Email: my_own_world.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 9:34:58 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Mike,
It may be small, it sure is wonderful and yes, it is my own, but I love my little world
and I really don't plan on leaving it soon (except maybe to move to Maui). That's why I
left 24+ years ago.. so I could go create my very own world. You are all invited to come
and live in it any time you want. No initiation fees and best of all jews and blacks are
welcome.
And in regards to our good friend Greg, he found himself working for poorly managed
companies and flel behind in the tech curve. It is sad but it happens. Management is a
tough place to be (middle being the worst as he discoverd)when companies go south. The
trick is to have a good crystal ball and see what is coming. It has worked really well for
me so far.
Name: Not from me
Email: novirus.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 8:51:53 PM
Remote Name: 209.246.84.136
Comments
Sorry there Joni, whatever virus you got I can almost guarantee came from Mr. Scary. My
laptop is clean. Mike and I went through this once before and if you can view a full
header on the e-mail you got (which I am sure by now is gone) you might well see who it
really came from. It all comes out of Mr. Scary's address list - I actually received one
from "myself" once!
Leibo.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: oops.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 8:24:01 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.39.1
Comments
Sorry uluL I couldn't resist having Mike post your photo. At least he posted the more
flattering picture. The other preggers photo I have of you (taken in your house)makes you
look like a 450lb. gorilla! Acually you are "glowing" quite nicely Ms. Preggers.
Mike and Joel-CAT FIGHT!!
Name: uluL
Email: quailfed viruses
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 6:17:05 PM
Remote Name: 24.29.64.53
Comments
Hey Mike and Leibo! Thanks for the viruses!
Hey Phil! You'll get no more photos from me!
Hey Joel! There's a lot of protein in a quail diet! Maybe that's why those guys are
getting all the jobs!
Hey Jerry, seven years later we still miss you very much.
Name: HI1BS GO HOME
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 4:32:29 PM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
Joel - My good friend, you are living in your own jaded world. You are also
contributing to the problem. This problem has been recognized by certain folks in Congress
and it is being addressed. It is serious business. Comparing it to cutting down trees is
beyond ludicrous. There is a bill called H.R. 3222, the High-Tech Work Fairness and
Economic Stimulus Act of 2001: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,285853,00.asp
Read what your CA Rep Zoe Lofgren is saying about this: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,274443,00.asp
This has nothing to do with skill set. It has to do with hiring cheap labor. That's a
fact. It is about giving away U.S. jobs to foreigners (most of whom suck).
By the way, you know at least one person out there who is unemployed because of the
H1-B scam - Our good friend Greg. Imagine that. The guy has been in IT for 25 years and
can't find a job. I belong to the ICCA (www.icca.org) and there are hundreds of unemployed
IT workers who are members in The Bay Area.
As I said, "You are living in your own world."
Name: Rush Limbaugh
Email: jerrybrown.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 3:43:32 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
There go those alfalfa smokin' California liberals again!
Name: Joel
Email: no_billion_dollar_scams_here?
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 3:04:27 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Mike,
I have been gone so long, I though all you guys were up there in the ranks of billion
dollar scams. Sorry to hear that no one is. I was planning on getting involved with one
myself. I guess I will just have to keep my job.
By the way, the H1B visa program has really brought some excellent people to our staff
at PSFT. From my experience, if you are really good at what you do, you will have plenty
of opportunity regardless of how many programmers are coming out of India.
Complaining about this is no different than the tree cutters in Oregon complaining
about not being able to cut down trees. Market conditions change and people have to change
with them. It may be sad but it is true.
I know lots of people in high tech out here and not one of them has lost their jobs
because someone on an H1B took there place. I do know tons of people that have lost their
jobs becuase they were underqualifed for them in the first place and bad management (from
underqualifed managers) put their companies out of business.
Here's to having more good, smart, quailifed people from anywhere.
My $.02
Name: HI1BSGOHOME
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 11:34:03 AM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
Joel - What planet are you from? Of course the Enron, Worldcomm scans effect us all.
When the market tumbles so does our 401 Ks. Last time I checked, no one on this site fits
into the "Let's scam a billion dollars" category.
I'm surprised you're not familiar with the H1-B fraudulent, scam program that has
invaded our industry since 1990. That is the main reason why unemployment in IT is so
high. Ask yourself this: If American citizens are unemployed, how can the Govt sanction
the hiring of foreigners for the same job?
All I've got to say to you is keep your job at PeopleSoft. If you ever have to go job
hunting you will fully understand this paradox.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: ditto.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 10:46:34 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Sure this whole corporate greed thing is really outrageous. Hopefully the
administration will have the guts to jail these crooks for a long time. The problem is
that they are probably entangled in this mess somehow too, that includes the democrats as
well. Also Martha Stewart has to go. She can redecorate her cellblock and make a nice
quiche for her fellow inmates.
Mike and Miles are referring to those white collar indians stealing programmer jobs.
Apparently they feel that they are being squeezed out of the industry by cheap labor. It
seems to be a real problem.
Name: Joel
Email: complaining_about_the_wrong_thing.com
Date: 8/9/02
Time: 12:03:25 AM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Hey, forget about a few thousand migrant workers. How about the handful of corporate
cheif fraud officers that misplaced 7.1 billion over at Worldcom and all the others. How
come none of you are complaining about these guys. Maybe too close to home.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: dead.com
Date: 8/8/02
Time: 8:08:32 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.50.161
Comments
My old brother Batchley,
I throw the "E" in there because I think that it looks better! The site is
definitly D-E-A-D!!
I sent our host a bunch of digital photos of uluL in her fatty mode, lets see if those
pictures inspire us to make some vulgar and stupid comments. I do love America!
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/6/02
Time: 11:24:17 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
I just got an application in the mail for one of those zero percent for six months H1B
Visa cards.It comes with a guy named Habib if you sign on right away.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: &*&^$^%@$#
Date: 8/4/02
Time: 12:07:51 AM
Remote Name: 165.247.48.93
Comments
Me and Chuckie boy is smokin' some good De Bones right now..............
Name: Anti-H1B Visa Too!
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 8/3/02
Time: 8:00:29 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.45.54
Comments
I'm guessing that post was from Miles. Well, that story hits me directly as well. My
consulting business, which has existed since 1984 is vanishing because of Indian slave
labor. These guys are willing to work here for $30 per hour and share an apt with five
others. Most of them cannot code for shit. It's incredible that our Govt encourages this
with the use of H1-B Visas. Thank you Democrats for enacting that sensible bill in 1990,
when the economy was in turbo mode. Now that it's in a free fall there is no provision to
stop the H1-Bs, and that is why there are thousands of unemployed computer people.
I can point you to many articles, but this one is the most factual to prove that the
H1-B program is a farce: http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
A petition: http://www.zazona.com/H1BPetition/
And here is how I relieve stress. Look who came in at number 49 in the Westport road
race this morning: http://www.geocities.com/jfalberg/westport/wspt0206.htm
These people need to relax as well. These are Phil's buddies: http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=17471
Name: Some of you will know who posted this
Email: AntiH1Bvisa97@aol.com
Date: 8/3/02
Time: 5:13:13 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.96.138
Comments
From the Charlotte Observer
Posted on Fri, Feb. 08, 2002
Immigrating foreign workers take U.S. jobs LINDA EVANS Special to The Observer
Increasingly, our government is ignoring the needs and concerns of American working
people. Businesses and ultra-rich CEOs are buying votes and favor from the government
while ordinary working people have less earning power than they had 20 years ago, despite
increased productivity and longer working hours.
Latchkey children, boomerang kids, the working poor: Did these terms even exist 30
years ago? Why should it take two incomes just to survive? Why do so many adults, even
those with a college education, have to live with their parents because they can't afford
to make it on their own? Why is low-cost housing so scarce for the working poor? And why
should people who work even be poor?
It is clear the U.S. government thinks working Americans are dumb and lazy. Elected
officials show this when they continue to enact legislation that favors big business with
tax cuts and other giveaways, while ignoring the suffering of ordinary Americans. American
manufacturing is all but gone. What disappears next? Could it be high tech jobs?
Thanks to loopholes in the H1-B visa program and laws that allow offshore programming,
many thousands of white-collar workers in this country are losing their jobs. At the same
time, the government insists -- based on input from the businesses that shower them with
campaign money -- that there is a booming high-tech market. Ask the unemployed programmers
and engineers in this country what happened to their jobs. Ask them how many hundreds of
resumes they've submitted without results.
At the rate jobs are disappearing for good, we will have nothing left for working
people in the United States except low-paying service jobs. Americans have put their trust
in their government and their government has sold them out to the highest bidder.
My question is this: How does it help America and American workers to open up the
domestic job market to a worldwide supply of labor? According to Max Sewicky of the
Economic Policy Institute, "The use of foreign labor to beat down domestic wages does
not benefit working people anywhere. On the contrary, every sector or country that enjoys
high labor standards puts upward pressure on working conditions elsewhere. The only
benefit of workers competing with each other is to corporations that are increasingly
stateless and function as if they owe allegiance to nobody."
My husband recently lost his computer programming job to cheaper labor from abroad. I
contacted the U.S. Department of Labor, and their response was to give me a toll-free
number so my husband could call and apply for training. Twenty-three years of computer
programming experience and the best our government can do is give us a toll-free number?
Next I called the technology sector of the U.S. Department of Commerce and spoke with a
woman who told me that firing Americans and replacing them with cheaper foreign labor may
be "rotten ethics," but it is good business practice. When I asked her how it
benefits American workers to lose their jobs so a company can make a bigger profit, her
response was that since many Americans are shareholders in companies, anything that
increases profits for corporations is good for workers even if they lose their jobs. This
is outrageous!
First we Americans were told that we didn't want low-paying service jobs, so it was OK
for illegal immigrants to sneak into the country and have those jobs -- with low pay and
no worker protections for these poor and desperate people. When our textile and
manufacturing jobs disappeared, we were told to upgrade our skills and get high-tech jobs.
Now, thanks to the flawed H1-B visa program and the magic of the Internet, our high-tech
jobs are disappearing to cheaper foreign labor.
Like drones in a bee hive, the dumb and lazy Americans will be tended by the business
bees and when their purpose is fulfilled, the business bees will let the drones starve to
death because they are no longer useful and would eat up the hive's stored honey.
And if we, as Americans, don't do something about forcing Congress to protect American
workers and their jobs, maybe we really are as dumb and lazy as Congress believes we are.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linda
Evans lives in Matthews. Write her c/o The Observer, P.O. Box 30308, Charlotte, NC
28230-0308
Name: uluL
Email: P.S..
Date: 8/2/02
Time: 2:37:13 PM
Remote Name: 24.29.64.53
Comments
We're finally going to hear some good live music around here, The Other Ones at the
Pepsi on November 16 and Jorma and Jack at the Egg on December 8. I can hardly believe it!
Name: uluL
Email: ImeantDEAD
Date: 8/2/02
Time: 2:31:10 PM
Remote Name: 24.29.64.53
Comments
Al, did I not say not to worry, I was sure you'd find a deadbeat outside to see the
show with you? We saw Phil in Hartford, the band was tighter than ever and it was better
than expected. Hunter opened the show -- he was wearing a pair of baggy jeans cut off
below the knee. They were pretty hilarious. I did know Mitch owned restaurants, Museum
Cafe I think, One Fish Two Fish, some others... I did hang with him on occasion at one of
them, Rodeo Bar, when I lived on 22nd Street.
Phil, I went to Ed Donahue's place in Averill Park and picked up a bunch of his vintage
t-shirts for Michael, some with mandalas, some with, yes, those big roses. And yes I can
still see my feet! I will email you a photo soon when I feel brave enough to have my
picture taken. I look pretty much the same, except for the basketball-sized watermelon
where my stomach used to be.
Name: uluL
Email: ******
Date: 8/2/02
Time: 2:16:21 PM
Remote Name: 24.29.64.53
Comments
Seen scrolling across the CNN ticker this afternoon: DEADHEADS TREKKING TO WI THIS
WEEKEND FOR REUNION CONCERT WITH SURVIVING GRATEFUL DED MEMBERS
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: retard.com
Date: 8/2/02
Time: 11:21:42 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
It's not inappropriate at all. It quite simple actually, he's had his finger up his ass
his whole life which (as per Dr. Joe Murphy) caused a serious backflow problem which
redirected all the toxins into his crainial region specifically the Medulla, which in turn
affected his ability to tell the truth and get a job. Joe advised that this condition is
commonly referred to as "Lying, Lazy Ass Syndrome." Unfortunately there is no
cure. The good news is that all primates are immune to this terrible disease.
Name: Al M.
Email: amandelb@aol.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 10:58:50 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.188.231
Comments
Not appropriate to speculate with Daiell plays with...
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 9:08:23 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
OH wow is Daillo touring with Phil Lesh? I was wondering where he was. Whats Daillo
play anyway?
Swave and DeBonner Attorneys at Law.
Or also as Tibbz would say "Hot!"
TUNA!
Name: Al M.
Email: amandelb@aol.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 7:51:26 PM
Remote Name: 216.179.103.188
Comments
Joel: I got my wife the Palm M105--reasonably priced and probably all you need (I'm
using a Palm 7 which you don't need).
Phil: I vaguely remember getting thrown out of your basement but I thought by your
mother--perhaps a different time?
Lulu: Went to see Phil Lesh at Jones Beach last month with Larry Daiell. We ran into
Mitch Pollack and hung out with him the whole concert (which was excellent by the way).
Did you know that he's a restaurateur?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: pda!.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 6:30:01 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.24.96
Comments
Joel,
I could use a personal assistant myself. Do any come in a french maid outfit? What I
would do to her...Goodness gracious!! You definitely need one with "a whole lotta
memory!"
Hey uluL,
It won't be long now! Are you nervous? These hot humid days we've been having must be
murder. If you stand up and look down, can you see your feet? If the answer is no, then
you know how I feel! I'm giving birth to a case of Bud in 2 months.
Name: joel
Email: memories?.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 4:00:30 PM
Remote Name: 209.17.6.130
Comments
Come on now. I don't remember Phil's or s'uluL story. I guess that means I must have
been there. Trudy and I are not an item anymore, so I guess my little gesture didn't come
true.
Phil, a PDA is a personal data assistant. One of those little electronic phone and date
books. At the age of 45, I finally have too many things to remember and I need something
to help me keep track of things. I guess I could have used one way back when,then I would
be able to recall those events.
Here's to getting old.
Name: uluL
Email: ...seiromem
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 3:41:35 PM
Remote Name: 207.78.21.2
Comments
My mom was too nice to throw anyone out of our house, but Joel came close to being the
only person it ever happened to when he wrote on the floor of my room with magic markers.
"Joel & Trudy 4 ever" inside a heart. It was, as Tibbs would always say,
suave (rhymes with wave) and de-boner, even in the early seventies...... oh yeah, when
Michael and I had our wedding rings inscribed, I had them engrave "Joni & Michael
Forever" in his. I didn;t realize it until right now, but Joel I owe you for the
inspiration!!!
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: pda?.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 11:31:37 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Joel,
I know all about a PDR (physician's desk reference) What's a PDA?? I'm still quite
illiterate when it comes all this new technology. Feingold should know.
You got thrown out of many houses in the old days, I see. In fact, you may not
remember, me, you and I think it was Al M. were in the basement of my parents house, it
was about 4;00 AM we had about a pound of some Hawaiian buds, and we arranged the big buds
on the table to spell Hot Tuna. All of a sudden my Dad comes down the stairs, he asked us
how much weed is that, I told him, "don't worry Dad it's only an ounce". He
said, "o.k. then, but Joel it's time to go to bed, GET OUT OF HERE!"
Name: Miles
Email: MYLZFROM@aol.com
Date: 8/1/02
Time: 8:12:21 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
I want to thank all of you for extending your kind thoughts to me.
Name: uluL
Email: two months to go
Date: 7/31/02
Time: 5:51:08 PM
Remote Name: 207.78.21.2
Comments
I sure wouldn't mind drinks and raw oysters on the water. I still won't be enjoying raw
fish or alcohol for quite a while! Monday night got so graphic in my childbirth education
class that I alomst puked. Yecch. Prenatal yoga last night was much better.
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 7/31/02
Time: 10:47:06 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Drinks and raw oysters? Nice evening for who?
Name: Debi D
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 7/31/02
Time: 7:30:10 AM
Remote Name: 65.80.14.48
Comments
Mike, I wrote you a letter and sent pix. We had a nice evening of drinks and raw
oysters on the water. That's about it. We'll talk later. Debi
Name: Mike
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 7/30/02
Time: 7:38:08 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.44.254
Comments
Debi D. - What exactly do you mean by feisty? We want details....
Name: Debi D
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 7/30/02
Time: 7:27:41 AM
Remote Name: 65.80.14.228
Comments
I spent the evening with Mitch Meyer and Gary Jaffe last night. We had drinks at my
friend's bar and then drinks and dinner at a raw bar on the intracoastal. Very nice,
relaxing evening. Mitch hasn't changed a bit.....still a feisty partier. Pics to
follow.......
Debi
Name: Joel
Email: need_advice_on_pda.com
Date: 7/30/02
Time: 12:42:50 AM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Anyone out there have anything good or bad to say about any of the PDA's that are
available. I need to pick one up to keep phone numbers, memos, dates, etc. I don't need
anything fancy. Any suggestions.
Joel
Name: joel
Email: memories.com
Date: 7/28/02
Time: 10:18:56 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Miles,
Sad to hear about your loss. Last time I saw your Mom was when she and your dad kicked
me out of your house when I told them that I smoked pot. This was at the dinner table when
they had been complaining about what a burnout you were so I came to your defense. Do you
remember. I was going out with Irene at the time. It was about 28 years ago but still
seems like yesterday. I am sure she will live on in your heart and mind and I can say I
will never forget her as well.
Also, I remember when she didn't want to let me take Irene to see the Jeferson Airplane
in Central Park because it was really windy out. I think she was afraid the subway was
going to get blown over. She did let us go and I wil always owe her big time for that.
Name: Jan P
Email: sosorry.com
Date: 7/26/02
Time: 8:06:17 PM
Remote Name: 4.60.221.28
Comments
Miles - Although I never met your mom, my thoughts are with you & your family
during this hard time. Growing up sure does suck sometimes....
Name: Harris
Email: harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com
Date: 7/25/02
Time: 3:01:19 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Miles...
Sad to hear the news. My condolences and best wishes to you.
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 7/25/02
Time: 10:45:49 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.96.138
Comments
Miles- sorry to hear about you're mom it sucks theres nothing else to say about it .
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: sympathy.com
Date: 7/25/02
Time: 8:43:15 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Miles, Very sorry to hear about your Mom's passing...
Although I only met your Mom about half a dozen times in the 30 years that I've known
you, she was always a very friendly nice lady.
Best wishes to you and your sister.
Name: Mike
Email: Me@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 7/25/02
Time: 6:29:34 AM
Remote Name: 129.44.47.2
Comments
Please offer your condolences to our good friend Miles, whose mother passed away
yesterday.
Very sorry to hear the bad news Miles....
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 7/23/02
Time: 8:38:47 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Both balls and a cue stick right up the middle!
Name: Harris
Email: curious...
Date: 7/23/02
Time: 2:54:09 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
... or a one ball, in the corner.
Name: Harris
Email: amazing...
Date: 7/23/02
Time: 2:50:31 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Thank you Batch for the further fascinating info..
That pool table escapade...was that a 2 ball in the side pocket?
Name: Batch
Email: BBatchley@aol.com
Date: 7/22/02
Time: 11:59:01 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Harris - thats the picture from our ad shoot at Marlins House of Toupes on rt 9 in New
Jersey its right off the Jersey turnpike at exit 14.
I was born without a scalp you know and had to have a mullit surgically implanted on my
head at an early age.
Georgia Tsumaris on the pool table in my moms basement afterschool!
Name: Harris
Email: Chico's Picks
Date: 7/22/02
Time: 7:28:56 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
In the words of Chico Marx... He's a Sturgeon.. he cutta you open...
Mike... nice pix on opening page... what do you call that? "Batch 'n 'Bo"?
Phil.. could you give us more details, about the frog operation? This is really
fascinating stuff...
Name: Mike
Email: TankCity@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 7/22/02
Time: 1:07:07 PM
Remote Name: 63.251.87.214
Comments
Murph - Cool post. I have a friend who works in the E.R. in Mt Sinai. The stories are
incredible.
Today, I am sitting here at The Nasdaq stock market site in CT watching it die a slow
and painful death. My job is to make sure our computers stay alive no matter how low it
goes and how crazy the volume. Hey Murph - any cure for this? It is definetly dehydrated.
This is quite a change after spending a week on peaceful Nantucket....
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 7/22/02
Time: 1:58:30 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Hey Murph!
Sounds like you've got a very exciting life. Did any of you're brothers and sisters go
into medicine too?Do you ever get out to So Cal? Donny Klein was here a couple of weeks
ago. Do you remember him?
Name: uluL
Email: obesity AND malnutrition?
Date: 7/21/02
Time: 8:13:54 AM
Remote Name: 24.58.146.105
Comments
At the same time? As Jon Lovitz would say, yeah, that's the ticket...
Name: Dr. Dolittle
Email: RHarrison@TheCitadel.org
Date: 7/19/02
Time: 11:00:17 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Hi Dr. Joe,
That's alot of sepsis for one person! How did you lose the 1700cc of blood? Did you cut
yourself? Oh wait, that was HER blood.
I hope you don't have a hang nail or an open sore on your feet because she could have
given you hepititis or AIDS or even sepsis!
By the way, what is your point again?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: dr.know.com
Date: 7/19/02
Time: 10:25:59 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hey Joe, That's one hell of a story! I operated on a frog once. The patient died.
Phil
Name: joe murphy
Email: lonestardead
Date: 7/19/02
Time: 9:05:40 AM
Remote Name: 129.112.109.252
Comments
I don't post on this site, although I once knew many of you who do. It wouldn't
surprise me to hear you don't know me, but I did go to MVB and thought I'd share a bit of
what I do now. For what it's worth.
I was on-call for trauma surgery at the county hospital last nite, although there
wasn't much trauma happening...unusually slow for a summer in Dallas. I did end up
operating on a very sick 45 year old woman (mother of two) the Internal Med guys had up in
the cardiac ICU. She was being treated for about a million life-threatening nightmares
(sepsis, diabetes, sarcoidosis, renal failure, obesity, malnutrition, liver failure,
sepsis, pulmonary failure, sepsis, etc). They called me for my two cents on the cause of
her sepsis. Turns out she had ischemic colon, perforated in 2 places, that needed to come
out. Since she had been operated on once before (for a sick colon) everything in her
abdomen was encased in dense scar and adhesions. Sooooo, it took close to seven hours and
i lost 1700cc of blood. That's a lot to lose, about half her total blood volume. A unit
donated to the Red Cross holds about 250cc. When done I realized that blood had soaked
through my 'waterproof' gown to my scrubs. I had bloody socks. Really sick people just
don't make good clots. The surgery residents and I did our thing from 10PM to 5AM, we had
Dick's Picks was on the CD player all nite. We got her back to the ICU, alive, sort of.
I'm not really very optimistic about her outcome, but if she survives it'll be a great
save. Good thing trauma was slow. I'll never get tired of this stuff.
Well, enough for now. Next case is in the room, gotta go.
Name: uluL
Email: and......
Date: 7/15/02
Time: 9:19:55 PM
Remote Name: 24.58.146.105
Comments
if you missed the two hour documentary on Bill Graham tonight on A&E, make sure you
catch it another day.
Name: uluL
Email: andbytheway...
Date: 7/15/02
Time: 9:16:09 PM
Remote Name: 24.58.146.105
Comments
TOO not only at the Garden on Halloween, but a whole tour in September-October.
Name: uluL
Email: ?wonk ayddahW
Date: 7/15/02
Time: 7:06:23 PM
Remote Name: 24.58.146.105
Comments
Never mind the brochure, we're on the website, top and bottom of the page...
http://www.shoalbaybeach.com/accomodation.html
Name: Heard A Song
Email: remindsmeofwho?.com
Date: 7/15/02
Time: 8:40:37 AM
Remote Name: 137.66.3.27
Comments
"Somewhere on a desert highway She rides a Harley Davidson Her long blonde hair,
flying in the wind She's been running half of her life The chrome and steel she rides
Colliding with the very air she breaths...."
Neil Young
Name: Jan P.
Email: greetingsfromsb.com
Date: 7/14/02
Time: 3:59:39 PM
Remote Name: 4.60.221.28
Comments
Hey all - It's so nice to have Hildy join us again after so many years. So, how was the
trip? Where did you stay & what did you do? How was NY? What did you & Phil talk
about? I'd love to see him in his office space playing Mr. Metro (or is it Mr. Scary?).
One of these days I'll have the experience.
Summer time has set in at Santa Barbara. Dry, warm & foggy. The June gloom
continues into July. We're dealing with a problem coyote in the field next door to us. I
don't really want to kill it but I want it gone. We have 3 cats & I don't want them to
became nibbles. Reilly is amazed at how quickly I went from tree-hugger, nature lover to
shoot the thing. We're trying to scare it away but that hasn't been too successful. Any
suggestions on how to get rid of an erractic coyote?
Name: Jan P.
Email: greetingsfromsb.com
Date: 7/14/02
Time: 3:59:27 PM
Remote Name: 4.60.221.28
Comments
Hey all - It's so nice to have Hildy join us again after so many years. So, how was the
trip? Where did you stay & what did you do? How was NY? What did you & Phil talk
about? I'd love to see him in his office space playing Mr. Metro (or is it Mr. Scary?).
One of these days I'll have the experience.
Summer time has set in at Santa Barbara. Dry, warm & foggy. The June gloom
continues into July. We're dealing with a problem coyote in the field next door to us. I
don't really want to kill it but I want it gone. We have 3 cats & I don't want them to
became nibbles. Reilly is amazed at how quickly I went from tree-hugger, nature lover to
shoot the thing. We're trying to scare it away but that hasn't been too successful. Any
suggestions on how to get rid of an erractic coyote?
Name: Al M.
Email: amandelb@aol.com
Date: 7/10/02
Time: 8:32:53 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.101.181
Comments
Phil- you wanna go see Lesh with me?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: zmail.com
Date: 7/10/02
Time: 2:52:43 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hildy,
It was really great seeing you again after such a long time! Sounds like y'all enjoyed
that little boat ride. Keep in touch.
ATTENTION ALL POSTEE'S:
I also met Hildy's husband Ernie. He's a very nice guy, so you all have to be nice to
him too! I'm only sorry that we didn't have more time to spend while you guys were in NYC.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: zmail.com
Date: 7/10/02
Time: 2:46:59 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hildy,
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: zmail.com
Date: 7/10/02
Time: 2:46:47 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hildy,
Name: uluL
Email: !lA yeH
Date: 7/10/02
Time: 1:00:33 PM
Remote Name: 207.78.21.2
Comments
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find a deadbeat outside to go with. We're going to
Hartford on July 18, only because GDTSTOO sent us 20th row center. Has anyone heard
anything about TOO in NYC Halloween?
Call International Travel & Resort at 212/545-8467 or toll-free at 800-223-9815 and
have them send you a brochure for the Shoal Bay Beach Hotel in Anguilla, British West
Indies. Not only will you see a picture of Michael and I on on our honeymoon, but it's a
great place for vacation. Of course, you can always stay at the Villas next door...
SITC fifth season premieres July 21.
Name: Alan M.
Email: amandelb@aol.com
Date: 7/9/02
Time: 10:51:26 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.103.183
Comments
Is anyone going to see Phil Lesh at Jones Beach on July 14? I have two tix and no one
wants to go with me.....
Name: Hildeegarde
Email: cruisinforabruisin.moc
Date: 7/9/02
Time: 6:21:03 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.1
Comments
Hi everybody! Just wanted to touch base with ya'll. I got home safely from my wonderful
vacation. I am more exhausted now than before - there's a 4 hour time difference from
Bermuda to Phoenix. The cruise was great, Bermuda was better and it was great to have the
whole family together (but very tiring having 13 people all together).
I haven't developed the pictures yet, but when I get them back I will send Mike some
for posting.
Hope everybody had a safe and happy 4th.
So Phil - it was great to see you again. I'm really glad that we had a few hours to
catch up.
Hildy
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: phew!.com
Date: 7/9/02
Time: 4:01:18 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Do silent farts still smell??
Name: Harris
Email: riddle me this
Date: 7/9/02
Time: 2:57:21 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Yes... the same noise as one hand clapping.
Name: buddah
Email: zen.com
Date: 7/8/02
Time: 10:42:42 AM
Remote Name: 137.66.3.31
Comments
If a tree fell in the woods and no one was there to hear it, would it still make a
noise?
Name: Joel
Email: amazing_change.com
Date: 7/4/02
Time: 9:35:41 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Hildy sure looks different in that red, white and blue bikini. Amazing what time can
do.
Name: uluL
Email: Longliverock
Date: 7/4/02
Time: 9:50:12 AM
Remote Name: 24.58.145.216
Comments
Just in case you're interested, Steve Weiss, who you may remember if you went to
Cardozo, went to the show and sent me this review from the Los Angeles Times:
POP MUSIC REVIEW The Who: Touch Me, Heal Me Mourning the unexpected death of founding
bassist John Entwistle, the band opens its tour with power, emotion and grace.
By RICHARD CROMELIN, TIMES STAFF WRITER
If ever catharsis were in the cards, it was Monday at the Hollywood Bowl, where one of
rock's most emotion-driven bands was due to perform the most emotional show of its
four-decade career.
And indeed, there was the extra charge in the show-opening power-chord riff of "I
Can't Explain," as if guitarist Pete Townshend were trying to blast a path through
the decades to the days when he and John Entwistle met as London teenagers and began
playing together. That early Who classic also adapted easily from expression of teenage
confusion about love to one of middle-aged confusion over loss and mortality.
Less than a week ago, the Who was set to embark on another in its series of periodic
reunion tours. Despite some hints from the band's camp that it might soon record new music
for the first time in 20 years, this was really just a classic-rock blip on the summer
concert radar. But when bassist and founding member Entwistle was found dead, apparently
of a heart attack, on Thursday, the day before the tour was to open in Las Vegas, purpose
and meaning were dropped into the band's lap, at the greatest price imaginable.
True to the Who's unpredictable, defiant form, Townshend and singer Roger Daltrey
quickly reversed the initial, obvious decision to cancel the tour, saying they would best
honor their bandmate by soldiering on.
They rushed in a new bassist, Pino Palladino, and postponed two weekend dates. That
made Monday's tour opener the most intently watched Who date since drummer Kenney Jones
debuted as Keith Moon's replacement in 1979 and probably one of the most oddly anticipated
shows in rock history.
Either meltdown or transcendence wouldn't have been out of the question under the
circumstances. Who's to say that the playing at the Bowl would have been notably different
under normal conditions? You can only speculate what role the unprecedented mix of grief,
uncertainty and adrenaline played in shaping the performance, but only hardened cynics
would resist the temptation to read its influence into some of the night's key moments.
The snap and energy of the opening 20-minute salvo of "I Can't Explain,"
"Substitute" and "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" suggested a determination
to rediscover the sources of the Who's power. Much later, "Baba O'Riley" and
"Won't Get Fooled Again" regained the epic scale they had in the '70s, and
Daltrey's vocal on the "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me" refrain from
"Tommy" bristled with the kind of life and feeling you just don't expect from a
veteran singer at this stage of his career.
Over the course of more than two hours, though, it appeared that the Who's idea of
paying tribute was to hunker down and plunge in and see what happened. There were no
shrines at stage left, no performances of any of Entwistle's compositions, but the
capacity crowd got its share of mood swings and openhearted acknowledgments, beginning
with an embrace between longtime sparring partners Daltrey and Townshend before a note was
played. The night ended with a montage of Entwistle photos on the video screens.
"Tonight we play for John Entwistle," Daltrey said early in the show.
"He was the true spirit of rock 'n' roll, and he lives on in all the music we
play."
A little later, Townshend, perhaps sensing that the show had taken on a
business-as-usual tone, stepped forward and addressed the audience. "This is gonna be
very difficult," he said. "We understand. We're not pretending that nothing's
happened."
That probably made it easier for the band and audience to relax into moments of humor,
including Townshend's jokes about the fragrance wafting from the crowd and his sudden
discovery of the acoustical globes hanging inside the Bowl's band shell.
Daltrey also thanked Palladino, saying that the musician "rescued us in the nick
of time."
True enough, the music stayed impressively on track considering that there had been
only two days of rehearsal. Drummer Zak Starkey, Pete's brother Simon Townshend on rhythm
guitar and backing vocals and longtime keyboard accompanist John "Rabbit"
Bundrick complete the lineup.
Palladino, a veteran session and touring musician who has played with such artists as
Eric Clapton as well as on Townshend albums and solo tours, negotiated the Who's often
complex structures with a determined steadiness. He avoided Entwistle's ornate designs for
the most part, and he seemed to have the audience on his side from the start, earning a
cheer for his stab at the famous bass solo in "My Generation."
At the end, it all amounted to an intersection of real life, art, entertainment and big
business that's rare these days. Those were the elements that swirled around the Who in
its turbulent origins, and it's strangely appropriate that Entwistle's loss brought them
back again, even if only for a night.
Have a great holiday.
Steven
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 7/2/02
Time: 9:33:26 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.198.179
Comments
SO wheres the hot Hildy pics already?
Name: Phildy
Email: pick-one.com
Date: 6/28/02
Time: 2:46:34 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hi everybody! I'm in Phil's office right now writing this. Just wanted to say hey from
NY. It's great to see Phil again after 25 years - he hasn't changed a bit. It's great to
be in the Big Apple again. Went to Ground Zero, met Phil in the Village and had real
pizza. Next is Times square.
Bermuda here we come. We're taking lots of picture and will make sure I send some to
Mike.'
See ya all when I get back.
Hildy
P.S. Phil says hi! Ernesto says hi too.
Name: Harris
Email: harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com
Date: 6/26/02
Time: 2:52:32 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Happy Birthday Phil!!!!
A happy reunion to you, Hildy and whoever may make it on Friday.
Name: Phil
Email: outoftheblue.com
Date: 6/25/02
Time: 10:40:23 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hildy,
Try and call me from downtown around noon 6/28.
I've got a few hours. I'm going down to St. Thomas for a couple of days and I have a
flight at 7;45PM. Looking forward to seeing you!
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/24/02
Time: 7:29:49 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.17
Comments
Dorice & Jan - I just found out about this website via Phil (who emailed me out of
the blue) and then Mike told me about his website. And here I am!
Dor - I will be in New York this Friday, June 28th. We're meeting Phil in the city and
if you can come too, that would be GREAT!! I will email you with my phone number. I just
mailed a picture of myself with my two boys (from my wedding last June) to Mike this Sat
so he should be posting that soon.
And Jan, that picture is from a very long time ago at Mike's house at least 20 years
ago. I wish I was that skinny again. My parents are great. They just celebrated their 50th
anniversary which is why we're going on a family cruise to Bermuda this Sat.
Phil - this Friday is still a go. I will call you when we get into Manhattan. Maybe
Dorice will join us.
Until then, I am anxiously awaiting my arrival in the Big Apple....
The Hildymeister
Name: Jan P.
Email: welcomebackgirls.com
Date: 6/23/02
Time: 1:06:05 PM
Remote Name: 4.40.58.222
Comments
Hey Hildy & Dor - the girls are finally back! Now we need Debbi,Jan R. & Diane
to join us again. Can't believe your both recent brides. Reilly & I have been together
for 25 years! Never thought I would be the one with the longest relationship considering I
didn't really have a steady boyfriend in those days. Also heard that Jan has a new
boyfriend. Hildy - how are your mom & dad? Give them my best. Is that an old or new
photo of you on the top page? Are you still that skinny? Hasn't middle age spread set in
like it has with the rest of us? Too bad you couldn't make it to the 205 reunion. It
really was a blast seeing everyone but we missed you. Phil also has a great house &
threw an excellent party. Mr. Scary knows how to do it right! Please stay in touch since I
miss my old girlfriends. We still need to plan a 205 in 2005 reunion - how do you feel
about that?
Name: mia
Email: dorsone@aol
Date: 6/23/02
Time: 12:07:25 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.193.26
Comments
i guess its time to come out of hibernation!!! sweet summer....... no work yes yes yes
ohhh ohh yes!! hilda!!!! hildy you really have come out of hibernation. how the hell are
you??? where the hell are you and ......... i think we are going to miss eachother by a
few days. i will be in ny monday thru saturday at moms. e mail me with your phone #. i
would also love to see a picture of the boys. last time i saw you you were pregnant. talk
soon, dor............
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/23/02
Time: 10:42:46 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.103.39
Comments
Last night we all hung out at my house and went crazy..Paul Weiser, Rand Steiger,Donny
Klein and Rita and myself.It was a freakin blast ! Feingold was upposed to be here but he
chickened out. We ate we swam we sang songs we drank beer we are older now but only
physically!
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: Bday.com
Date: 6/22/02
Time: 2:09:38 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.43.53
Comments
Thanks for your birthday wishes. I stayed out of trouble and I didn't even get
arrested! I'm 46 now and feeling it (sometimes). I'm gettin' just a little bit creaky.
Especially when I have to get up at 5:15A.M. to go to work everyday.
uluL, Baldy Mike knows about that digital stuff. Don't bother with the manual. I never
could figure them out. They're boring and too technical. I want to get a digital camera
myself. They are cool and it's the future anyway.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY uluL!!!!!!!!!!!!You big preggers Fatso! Any urges except Mallomars will
be considered. Mallomars seem to be very rare these days. Can't find 'em anywhere.
It's about 85 degrees today and I'm goin' swimmin'.
Name: uluL
Email: Happy birthday Phil!
Date: 6/22/02
Time: 10:57:03 AM
Remote Name: 24.58.144.90
Comments
I didn't know it was your birthday! Sorry I missed it! My birthday is on Monday. I'm
not saying how old I'll be... well, actually, 44. I still can't believe it!! My folks gave
me a Canon Sure Shot digital camera so as soon as I finish reading the 100-page
instruction manual and figure out how to take pictures and email them, are you in for a
surprise! I still don't understand, do I look through the viewfinder, or do I look at the
little screen on the back of the camera to take the picture? Anyway, have a great summer
everyone!!
Name: Mike
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 6/20/02
Time: 9:59:53 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.49.13
Comments
Hildy - That ugly orange couch was mine. I had it in my apartment when I lived in
Bellerose. Remember that place? Sorry I will miss you on the 28th.
Phil (Infecto Boy) - Happy birthday old man. Or is is Klez dude? You be trying to
infect all of us each time you go online. Format that C drive!
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/20/02
Time: 5:37:43 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.17
Comments
Happy Birthday Phil!!! So how old are you now - must be 45 or 46. I'll be replying to
you email soon. Just saw it posted that it was your birthday and wanted to say HAVE A
GREAT DAY!!
Mike, I'm honored that you put my picture on the main page. I was so skinny then. Who's
ugly orange couch is that? Sorry to hear you can't make it on the 28th. I'll be in very
good hands with Phil. I sent you a picture of me and my boys today.
I'll write again soon.
Hildy
Name: Miles
Email: MYLZFROM@aol.com
Date: 6/20/02
Time: 2:41:13 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.101.179
Comments
According to my records it's Phil's birthday today.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Phil ! ! !
Name: Debi D.
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 6/19/02
Time: 11:46:50 AM
Remote Name: 65.80.14.26
Comments
Joel, thanks for the info about Terwilliger Hot Springs. I hope to go there while I'm
in Portland. By the way Joel, I'm sorry I started the whole "I slept with Joel, but
we didn't have sex" thing. I didn't realize everyone would rag on you about it
forever. If it's any help,...I would have had sex with you if we weren't so stoned.
Alright,...so everyone back off now!
If anyone is in the Bay Area, my ex-husband Billy Dunaway, is playing in a band at the
I.R.A. Bar in SF. I'm sure he could use some encouragement (and an audience). I'll find
out the name of his band if anyone is interested in going. I would love to have someone
report back to me.
Name: B.Kini
Email: can'twait.com
Date: 6/19/02
Time: 8:31:44 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
That kini girl looks like she has to take a wicked pee!
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: geezklez.com
Date: 6/19/02
Time: 8:26:09 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
You're right on Hamster!
That virus infected some files on my windows operating system. Norton or FixKlez can't
repair, delete, or quarrantine those files. There's a way to delete those infected files,
but then windows is incomplete and you don't know what part of the system you deleted
until it's gone.
I'll have to do it, I guess, no freakin' choice. I heard about those guys in India.
They're all named John or Mary Smith from Cleveland!!
Name: M
Email: M@bloodydeathwives.com
Date: 6/19/02
Time: 6:56:43 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.103.158
Comments
Mr. Scary.
If you can't fix the KLEZ, you are probably going to need to reformat your hard drive
and re-install all of your software. Call Dell (hang up and call again if you get an
"off-shore" (INDIAN) technician). Set aside 3 hours for this. If you can,
back-up any important documents on diskette before the call & reformat.
Name: ()(&*%$Y>"}%$#
Email: ^&^E%()$#!
Date: 6/18/02
Time: 7:02:26 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.41.82
Comments
Att: Mrs. Ernesto Flores,
I replied today finally @ your home email.
Reply to me here or @ pmetros@hdsheldon.com (my office) This KLEZ shit killed my home
PC.
Hope to see ya Harris. When are ya comin' in??
Name: Harris
Email: kini review
Date: 6/18/02
Time: 3:16:13 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
All I can say about kini girl today is:
"She's Back!"
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/18/02
Time: 12:04:30 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.1
Comments
Yes Harris, among other places (in Arizona). Have fun in New York!
Phil, I'm still waiting for your reply to my email.
Name: Harris
Email: harris_leibowitz@hotmail.com
Date: 6/17/02
Time: 7:02:29 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Phil.. I will try to see you, when I'm in NY.
Green Bologna?... don't they eat that at the St. Paddy's Day Parade?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: joely.com
Date: 6/15/02
Time: 8:31:57 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.31.15
Comments
Hey Joel, I hear yah! Just be a Rabbi not a preist. O.K.? Hope you and yours are A.O.K.
Hildy, what's the deal? are we meeting you, hubby, Lenny and Alma? No details, no
nothin'?
Oh and Joel, I think you and Hildy had real sex.........She told me so!!! am I gonna
get killed for this??
Name: Hildy
Email: D-Backs.com
Date: 6/15/02
Time: 6:22:32 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.206.193
Comments
Hey Joel, I just saw Schilling pitch last night. Go D-backs - 2001 WORLD CHAMPIONS!
My 1 year anniversay is tomorrow.
Remember when I came to DisneyLand with my friend Delia? We really just slept together
that night.
The Hildymeister
Name: joel
Email: sleepy is doing great
Date: 6/15/02
Time: 12:30:13 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Batch,
Yes, we hang out fairly often. Went to see Schilling pitch against the Giants together
three weeks ago. He says hello to all. Most of the summer he does the faimly thing at his
retreat up in Arnold where he spends his time playing with the kids and fishing off of his
boat.
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/14/02
Time: 10:07:44 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.201.188
Comments
Joel- have you seen sleepy lately?
Name: Joel
Email: long time gone
Date: 6/14/02
Time: 7:03:58 PM
Remote Name: 65.191.13.157
Comments
Hey Now,
Well it has been a while since I have been here and I see that food still seems to be
the major topic of conversation with the exception of Hildy showing up and Joni having a
new baby, new house,etc.
For Deb in Fla. check out Terwilliger hot springs by Cougar Dam between Eugene and
Bend. One of the most incredible hot springs you can find anywhere. Be careful though, for
there are a real lot of naked hippies running around.
For Hildy, congratulations on the new husband. Hope all goes well for you.
For Joni, make sure your kid gets a great education and a really good job. We need lots
of future tax payers so I can retire. You all know that I am not bringing any new people
into this world so it is up to all of you.
And yes, Hildy and I only slept together. We never had sex, I think. I am thinking
about becoming a catholic priest since I have never had sex with anyone. Just slept around
alot. The only thing stopping me is I don't really want to have sex with young boys, so I
think that disqualifies me. Oh yeah, I am jewish, that me keep me out also.
Till the next time.
Joel
Name: Debi D.
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 6/14/02
Time: 5:13:00 PM
Remote Name: 65.80.4.173
Comments
Thanks Harris. I love that GORP link. I have a feeling my friend in Portland isn't keen
on soaking naked with a bunch of hippies...she's more into showing me the city. Hey, I'm
up for that too, but I need my nature fix man. Thanks anyway.
Name: Hil-de-Gard
Email: green@bologna.yuk
Date: 6/14/02
Time: 1:54:50 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.192.158
Comments
Hi Mr. Scary - I'm trembling. But you should be the one who trembles wben you see me...
By the way its Sheriff Arpaio (the most hated man in Arizona). And, yes, I did eat that
green bolonga.
By the way, I was unable to open the file you sent -I even upzipped to no avail. Also,
it was the email subject "Si jen wybrat..." that I was unable to open. I am
looking forward to receiving another email from you and especially (hopefully) seeing you
on the 28th...
Hey, Mike thanks so much for pointing me to this great website. I missed out on so much
but now I'm here and your stuck with me. Where did you get that picture of me? I haven't
changed a bit - only a bit hotter now...
Of course Joni I have not forgotten you. I remember visiting you and Alan M up in New
Paltz. What a party!
For Batch and Joni, Joel and I really only slept together (we never had sex).
Did you hear that Joel? We want to hear from you!!
Love to all,
The Hildymeister
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/14/02
Time: 10:15:16 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.200.34
Comments
All this Hildy shit is kind of funny but where is the missing link in all all of this?
Hey Joel? How come nobody told Joel that Hildy is here?
Name: Mike
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 10:46:33 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.46.140
Comments
Oh my God! Hildy just sent me a picture. She hasn't changed a bit, and most definitely
belongs on The Queens Girls Rock page!
http://www.shoppingsolutions.com/205/pics/Hildy.jpg
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: Yup.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 10:38:05 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.37.89
Comments
Mike, I'm planning on going to the Last Waltz 6/27 the 7:00P.M. show. Ronnie B. told me
that he would get us tix in advance. What's the story? Phil
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: sold!.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 10:31:08 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.37.89
Comments
uluL, Hope you got your price on that 22st. condo. congrats.....on that! Now with those
funds, you can really do your thing..Good Luck! Remember what I told you about those light
bulbs..........
Name: Mike
Email: Mike@shoppingsolutions.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 10:14:47 PM
Remote Name: 129.44.46.140
Comments
Hildy - I'm sending you my address. We all want to see a very sexy and hot picture of
you. Told ya you would get a lot of responses.
Phil (Mr. Scary) - Are you going to see The Last Waltz with us at The Burns Theatre in
Pleasantville on 6/27?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: spellcheck.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 9:48:32 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.37.89
Comments
Yosemite.....Sorry!
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: nohotsprings.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 9:44:35 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.37.89
Comments
Hey Deb, There are no geothermal entities in Oregon. If you're in Portland, Mount Hood
is the coolest place. It's about 50 miles east of Portland, and very hip.
It's true that Oregon has volcanic activity, but no hot springs. The closest springs to
that region, are in Yosmite. About 750 miles south.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: nosexypix.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 9:23:11 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.37.89
Comments
Hil-De-Gard, Got your emails. Surprised you didn't receive my reply. I'll send it from
my office tomorrow. The PC I'm using now is a virus infected piece of crapola! I'm gonna
respond to you tomorrow from my office laptop. It's clean. But I only found you due to the
KLEZ virus. How cool is that??
I am glad that I snuffed you out of the woodwork. It was by chance though. (I got a
virus from RockinRobin 1221), that's what got me thinking. Your middle name is Robin and
your birthday is Dec 21. 2+2=4. I'm not a rocket scientist, you know. I just took a chance
that it was you.
Don't send too sexy a picture.....I might get jealous! I've always wondered what the
hell happened to you, and it's good to know that you're A.O.K.
uluL,
I can't find those freakin' Mallomars!! I'm not gonna give up. I dream about Mallomars.
I'll find 'em eventually. Pickles and ice cream, no problem.(you little fatty, you!!!!!!!)
Harris,
Come by my place when you're here. I'm sure that you've got issue's with Henry and Mom,
but hopefully we could spend a little time together before you go back home.
Hil, Just so you know........Mr. Scary is me, Phil. It's a secret. Don't tell anyone!
Hee, Hee!!!
By the way, that's Dor's new husband in that picture. He's a hair stylist from Harlem!
And furthermore, How do you tolerate that idiot Sheriff Navarro from Maricopa County?
Nobody should have to eat green bologna? Bye..............
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 8:33:54 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.209.44
Comments
Go sexy for Mikey baby!
Name: uluL
Email: ohmygosh!
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 4:30:56 PM
Remote Name: 24.58.144.234
Comments
This is truly one of those hell freezes over occasions! Hildy Cohn or whatever your
name is now, how the hell are you???????? Still sneaking into shows (joke)???? I got
married last summer too (8/23) and we are joyfully expecting Michael Mansfield Hazaz on or
about October 7 and I just sold my loft in Manhattan and we are building a four bedroom
house here in upstate New York. Trust me, right now I do not look anything like my photo
in the pink bikini on the Queens Girls Rock page... I was 113 on my wedding day but I've
gained about 30 pounds in the last three thanks to the little guy. Here is the link to the
page Mike made for our wedding present... http://www.shoppingsolutions.com/jonispics.htm...
maybe you remember me? Jan doesn't!
Now that Hildy's finally shown up, maybe Al and Joel will even stop by again to say
hello. They said the Other Ones would never play together again either...
Name: Hildy
Email: Hildymeister.org
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 3:35:18 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.9
Comments
Batch, I would love to send a picture to post but I don't have a digital one. If he
could send me an address to snail mail one, I'll be more than happy to. But only if he
promises to post it on the Queens Girls Rock page. Or maybe Mike can take a picture of me
in New York.....I'll wear something sexy.
Name: Harris
Email: Hot Stuff
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 2:56:37 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
http://www.gorp.com/gorp/location/or/portland2.htm
Debi... hre's a link for your hot springs.
HL
Name: Harris
Email: Dat's dat
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 2:28:16 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Batch... but you were having a good hair day....
Name: Debi D.
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 12:37:30 PM
Remote Name: 65.80.14.183
Comments
Hey, I'm coming out to the west coast. I'm heading to Portland, Oregon on July 13th-21
for an educational conference, and I'm staying a couple of days to hang out with my
friend, Liz Cohen. I wish I had more time to hang out there. Does any one know of any
great hot springs in the Portland area?
Debi
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/13/02
Time: 12:36:53 AM
Remote Name: 64.12.107.44
Comments
Harris- yup dats me I was havin a dark day that day!
Name: Harris
Email: H Meister
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 9:04:34 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Hildy .. I'll be back on the West Coast by the 28th, but hopefully you will see Alan
& some of the others, when in town.
Batch... is that you at the restaurant, on the opening page?
Name: Batch
Email: BB@AOL
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 8:58:43 PM
Remote Name: 64.12.107.47
Comments
Hildy send Mike a picture to post!
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 7:56:26 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.9
Comments
Hi Harris!
When are you going to New York? I'll be there on June 28th. I'm hoping to see some of
the guys while I'm in town - I certainly hope so.
How's the Bay area treating you? Say Hi! to Leibo.
The Hildymeister
Name: Harris
Email: H Meister
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 5:02:54 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Hildy...
I will always have a hello for you. Greetings from San Francisco. Good to see your
posts. Sounds like you're doing well.
I'll be seeing Leibo next week in NY.
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 2:04:52 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.9
Comments
Hey Batch, thanks for remembering me. Mike pointed me to his website and have been
getting a kick out of reading all the messages and looking at all the pictures (you look
really good). I am so sorry I missed the reunion.
I've been living in Arizona for the past 15 years and just love it here. Life is good -
I am doing very well. I got remarried last summer and have two boys from a previous
marriage - ages 13 & 11. So what's up with you?
The Hildymeister
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/12/02
Time: 12:40:12 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.72
Comments
Hildy..Hildy..Hildy...no one has ever forgotten Hildy...wazzup?
Name: Hildy
Email: RockinRobin1221@aol.com
Date: 6/11/02
Time: 1:56:50 PM
Remote Name: 198.182.97.9
Comments
Hey, a big shout out to everybody who remembers me. I'm alive and well and living in
Phoenix, AZ. Drop me a line at my email or post a message on Mike's guestbook. I would
love to hear from you all.
For Dor - I too got married last summmer (6/16) When was your big day? Our lives have
remained so parallel even though we haven't talked in years... (twilight zone music)
I'll be in NY for 1 day (6/28) so if anybody wants to meet, let's do it.
Hildy
Name: min
Email: scaryman
Date: 6/7/02
Time: 8:15:29 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.200.165
Comments
Hey - I went to the site for the Pearl video - I believe that the intention of
displaying the video on this site, was not snuff oriented and not deliberate. I guess they
(ASSHOLE MUSLIMS FROM PAKISTAN) used this a propraganda against the USA. Of course the
horrific sites of the muslim children and women were meant to spawn vemon to any and all
zionist Jews. But to glorify such a deliberate killing is as disgusting as all the
countries these damn Arab muslims w/o brains represent..........sorry - but I need to
share this.
Name: Mr.Scary
Email: nocomment.com
Date: 6/7/02
Time: 12:36:10 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
If you go to www.BostonPhoenix.com you can see the Daniel Pearl propaganda/assasination
video. No comment.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: norton.com
Date: 6/7/02
Time: 10:36:28 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
I ran Fix Klez. The scan found, deleted, and repaired infected files. But one of the
files is part of the Windows operating system. That file had to be manually deleted,
without knowing what that file's function was. I found out the function only after
removing it. So I'm kinda fucked.
I installed Norton anti virus corporate edition which is much more sensitive than the
standard Norton program, but it won't do the live updates.
Plus all the weird shit still keeps happening.
So, tonight Leibo's comin' over and we're gonna do a couple of bowls then, when we're
good and ready, we're gonna uninstall the entire freakin' bundle and start from scratch.
This is pretty risky, but the other option is to chuck the piece of crap!
Mindy, That heart monitor thing must be a drag. So it's good to know you're off it.
Name: min
Email: antiklez
Date: 6/7/02
Time: 7:57:02 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.195.214
Comments
Hey - scary man did you run that tool that Mike sent to the site? It probably will be
best to reinstall everything -- clean slate. I just got a 'new' McAfee virus scan and then
immediately updated it. But - (Mike correct me if I am wrong) these virus scans don't work
on the Klez virus -- only the Symantec tool works? I was getting mail from these unknown
people -- but personal stuff. Weird virus man! My computer needs a condom! --- to those
that knew about my crazy heart stuff... I am off the heart monitor starting today......I
hope I don't have any more major arrhythmia's.........
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/6/02
Time: 10:28:39 PM
Remote Name: 205.188.195.166
Comments
Yup Klez sucks mine came in an email addressed from ken bleiweis got another one today
same address did not open it. Do you have norton system works it will fix the windows shit
after you do the fix and reinstall it.
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: geezklez.com
Date: 6/6/02
Time: 2:18:47 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hey Batch, Klez totally fucked up my home PC. It even infected some files on my windows
operating system. Can't boot. Can't shut down. Mouse works, Mouse dies and freezes up. All
kinds of weird shit! Now I'm even sending infected emails to myself, from myself!! I might
have to reinstall the whole freakin' bundle. Or just throw the fuckin' pesky bugger out
the window!
Frustrating......huh??
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/6/02
Time: 9:58:05 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.200.31
Comments
Klez sucks dick!
Name: Harris
Email: 205 alive
Date: 6/4/02
Time: 5:51:39 PM
Remote Name: 63.86.107.2
Comments
Yes Min.. saw Deb-JL Sunday at our little CA reunion. She is fine. Finally met her
husband and 2 beautiful daughters.
Hope you are well.
HL
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 6/4/02
Time: 10:13:01 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.198
Comments
Phil- I think that there are mallpmars out here! you may have to come out and get em!
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: mallomars?.com
Date: 6/4/02
Time: 8:28:57 AM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Hey uluL, I can't find those damn Mallomars anywhere. I'm still lookin'. Maybe they've
been taken off the market due to national security.
Name: min`
Email: novirus'
Date: 6/3/02
Time: 7:28:22 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.59
Comments
Hey - I hear Debbie JL is alive and hanging w/ Harris and a few other
205'rs.........Harris chime in anytime. Debbie if you lurk - all my love. I will keep
sending the emails!
Name: Debi D.
Email: abfab203@hotmail.com
Date: 5/31/02
Time: 6:35:27 AM
Remote Name: 65.80.15.15
Comments
No Klez here. I ran the scan and it said I'm clean. Min...I love my new photo album. It
was made for Jesse's dad, but I think it came out cool...I'll be adding more photos.
"School's out for summer!!!!" Yippee!!!! I'm celebrating tonight at my favorite
beach bar, listening to live reggae and sipping a margarita. Anyone wanna join me??
Name: uluL
Email: uoykcuF
Date: 5/29/02
Time: 10:29:50 PM
Remote Name: 66.66.194.128
Comments
?ydaerla sramollaM ym era erehW !ssa ruoy skcik dna pu sworg eh litnu tiaw t'nac I
Name: Tawana Brawley
Email: drspock.com
Date: 5/29/02
Time: 3:31:49 PM
Remote Name: 65.206.18.130
Comments
Could it be a human baby boy?
Name: uluL
Email: guesswhat?
Date: 5/28/02
Time: 7:27:26 PM
Remote Name: 66.66.194.128
Comments
We're having a boy!
Name: Batch
Email: BB@aol
Date: 5/28/02
Time: 9:39:46 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.197.171
Comments
Hello....is anybody out there? Site seems to have died off for a few days here. I have
scanned and scanned again and again, I have updated my deffinitions and Norton says that I
have no viruses klez or otherwise? So why then should I download and run the repair
program.Also do not open any emails from me at all unless you either know that they arte
coming or have no attachments. also I've been off Prodigy for about 3 years now....so?
Name: Mr. Scary
Email: damngenius.com
Date: 5/25/02
Time: 4:44:01 PM
Remote Name: 165.247.27.15
Comments
Thanks Min. Run it Batch! It's a real nasty............
Mallomars a comin'(after the holiday).
DRIVE SAFELY, EVERYONE!!
Name: min
Email: yeckyworms!
Date: 5/25/02
Time: 8:38:36 AM
Remote Name: 205.188.198.168
Comments
Batch - the link can be very tricky. I had to work with it until I got the correct
download. I used it 2x's -- because I received mail from a totally unknown individuals --
personal stuff. Weird...yet I don't have the virus when I used the Symantec tool. Hi to
everyone and I hope you all have a beautiful Memorial Day weekend. Don't forget to watch
that memorial of 9/11 on HBO Sunday night -- NEVER FORGET! What these Bastards have done.
Name: Batch
Email: BB@a0l
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